Pine Point Meeting

almost 3 years ago

Process Comments: 

  • A survey of the Community is needed.  (Staff noted that we are looking at doing an insert into the Leader that is mailed to every household)
  • Like the idea of a the Leader Survey – but the Character of Scarborough is seasonal - You need to access the summer residents – they won’t be able to attend Planapalooza. Could you use the tax assessor address files to at least mail a survey to summer residents? Could be very efficient way to ensure you reached property owners in beach neighborhoods.
  • Pine Point has an email distribution list, but it is not as robust as the Higgins Beach list.

What drew you to Scarborough?

  • I was born here, I care about the area.  Moved away in my 20’s but came back. Bought an old house and renovated.  I have deep roots with Family and friends in the area
  • I don’t want to see the access limited to the beach here at Pine Point.  Many of the old pathways are disappearing.  That is changing the character of Pine Point.
  • If you live here, on one of the little streets and have to walk to park, that’s not living at the beach.  Having beach access at your door is important.
  • The new wharf, increased fishermen, and we’ve become a magnet for visitors.
  • My Grandfather built our house in 1938. I lived at the old orchard end. We were the only family that lived in the community year round.  Not a car would go by.  I really like the off season because it’s quiet. Every year it gets busier and busier.
  • We want to preserve the small community feeling.  On my street there are still houses that are vacant in winter.
  • I hope that marine access is discussed.  It was part of the 2006 Comp Plan, but I feel like we failed on marine access – we lost access at Bayley’s Lobster pound and others. 
  • Make sure that we retain access for residents
  • Lets’ look at the 2006 comp plan and identify where we fell short, where we exceeded and where we just met the goals.
  • I came to Scarborough 10 years ago, I was looking for a more rural community and Scarborough was an attractive community with great access to Portland, access to beach access to a nice community.
  • My first summer was in 1948 at 3 months old.  Parents had a cottage in Pine Point.  Summered here every year and have a great affinity for area.
  • Scarborough is unique in that there are some very identifiable neighborhoods.  Trying to preserve some of what Scarborough has been is important.  The access to other areas is good, but it can cause some stress between residents and others.
  • Sold our cottage because we could not afford the taxes. It was very hard.  There aren’t many year-round residents here, so not much pressure on the schools.
  • I get concerned that some family will get wiped out as they come over the bridge.  Traffic and parking present a dangerous situation. My preference is to not have parking along the road because of safety concerns. 
  • Town should look at ways to garner revenue from parking – perhaps have resident stickers. 
  • Don’t let the area get over utilized  Pine Point is mixture of businesses and residents, I hope it will be preserved, but some of the businesses are depending on town resources for their parking. That’s not equitable.
  • There needs to be a careful balancing of what’s happening. 
  • How do you get moorings?

Staff summary – Sounds like you want to make sure use of public realm balances with the residents. It’s a balancing act of seasonal and year-round residents.  What does this look like? Is there a role for the Town?  Should the Town have a policy for the short-term rentals?

  • I have a guest cottage that was grandfathered. We collect the 9% lodging tax.  All the services – we are paying for everything. Particularly for visitor impact. Yet we don’t get anything back from the State. If our legislators bring that up, we should support them
  • I have thought a lot about Bayley’s Campground. There are 750 sites that are full all summer long.  Town isn’t being paid anything for the visitors from the trolly.  They are not on sewer.  Odor problem at times.  I think Town should take a hard look at whether or not the camp grounds are paying for their impact.
  • Town of OOB assesses the camp grounds in the off season. People leave their trailers. They have decks and hot tubs etc. They are really permanent sites.  Are they paying the full freight? If every site has 4 people, a family, there is a least 3,000 people there all season long. Noise and smoke from the camp fires is a problem
  • We were drawn to Scarborough as a happy medium between urban and rural. Wonderful combination of everything.  Five minutes to airport etc.  From a transportation stand point it’s great.  I think for what we are paying for taxes, I feel like we have a full service town and excellent school system.  In 20 years, I want to see more of a sense of community.  Find something that unites us as a community.  Maybe it’s the marsh, maybe it’s the community center.  I’m hoping a more united community. There are situations unique to Pine Point and Higgins, but I’d like to see how we tie the great things about Scarborough together.
  • There are issues that are specific to areas. Are there visions that transcend Pine Point?
  • Pine Point can be a fishing community, but how many of them live in the community. Trying to create a greater sense of community is important. The boroughs have been separate communities for a long time, but we can find ways to connect.
  • The trip on Route One has become a painful path.  It took an hour and half to come down from Portland.  How do you address this?
  • People certainly don’t move to Scarborough because of Route 1! You really have to think about where you are going and when you are going. What can be done about Route One.
  • The improvements in traffic lights in Dunstan was well done.  I come from the Boston area and it’s a pleasure to drive around here.
  • I think of things in the big picture.  Big issues get addressed in small places.  I would like to see the town unite around living and planning in a sustainable way. I’d like us to have sustainability as our vision of the future.
  • It’s hard to do sustainable transportation, but we can encourage electric car use.  We could facilitate this by having charging stations available.  It’s a perfect place for electric cars.  Encourage solar development, we could work on codes and ordinances that encourage solar development.
  • I see development in West Scarborough with all the houses faced to the road rather than looking for optimum solar access.  Solar orientation could be tremendous amount of savings.  Our town could be preemptive on developing regulations.
  • I don’t’ want the Town of Scarborough to provide charging station.  I don’t want my tax money going toward something a private company could be doing.
  • Having ordinances that encourage solar and super insulation is great.
  • Would not want our town to buy all electric vehicles if it is going to cost us money.  Encourage the private sector. 
  • I would love to see a community center – meet, take classes, promote community.  I go to Cape Elizabeth for swimming and OOB for adult ED.  
  • Scarborough offerings are not that appealing.  OOB and Saco work together on their programs.  The programs are pay for themselves. Sense of community can come from building a community center.
  • I would investigate solar and super insulation, but Scarborough needs to be concerned about losing a cohort of property owners if the regulations create a greater cost of housing.

(Staff)Back to balance – how do you encourage a diverse community? Diversity of housing - concerns and mixed feeling about different types of housing… What do folks think about the role of MF in the community?

  • Do we have a choice in terms of growth?  I’m not concerned about the types of housing.  Families have changed. We don’t have large families anymore. Southgate [Avesta Project] is a great development. We are not quite big enough to support certain things.  The “Y” decided not to come here because there wasn’t going to be enough fundraising capacity. Maybe we have reached a population level that would make them reconsider.
  • I’m fine with the multifamily on Haigis.  Scarborough – a lot of people were concerned, timing is everything, and we missed the boat on some items that we hemmed and hawed about.

Staff: So it sounds like you are saying that density in certain areas of town works. 

  • I admit it – I’m in favor of growth in the right places. Not at Pine Point.
  • Speaking of housing – what is going to happen with Scarborough Downs.  It can be a significant asset to the community.
  • Not as a casino.
  • Mixed use, prime piece of real estate. Access to turnpike – I view as a real asset for future development.

Councilor: As that property becomes available – should the town invest in it?  (CHRIS)

  • That’s a tough concept.  Prefer private developer to do it and the town work with the developers.
  • There are other companies that don’t want to pay the price of Portland, so there should be some opportunities for Scarborough.
  • Private sector should address the site.
  • Retail is nonexistent.  People can work from home, the need for new development is not what it used to be.  Hopefully whoever goes into Scarborough Downs, will be a good one and will attract others.
  • I think that when you are thinking about these developments we really have to think about the traffic.  Maybe there is a way to build a through road?
  • We have an opportunity with the Public Safety building moving out to have development that would slow the traffic down and get the through traffic off the road.
  • Allow people to get on the turnpike for free to get the through traffic off Route One.

Staff asked if you were giving advice to the consultants – How would you finish these statements: Make sure to…  and Do no damage to….. 

  • I didn’t know what this was about but I am concerned about Ave 2. It’s an icon it’s the last one.  It’s an icon at pine point – the last path. They are all gone. 
  • I hope someday that I never hear that all the rights of ways become private ways and take the public access away. These are my concerns.
  • Life has changed and life is evolving, but I don’t want to see the public right of ways taken away.
  • Just leave it as is – the Town does not need to make it “pretty”
  • Town responsibility for cleaning the beach.  What’s the schedule – this is a responsibility for the town that is ongoing.
  • If OOB can keep it clean, so can Scarborough.
  • Maintain our common public lands. 
  • Red algae – important to clean the beach.  Beaches that are not combed and cleaned have less erosion. Our beach has grown we are fortunate.
  • Town has done a great job with the red algae. 
  • I want all the assets that the Town has to be available to as many people as possible for free. We’ve got to preserve what we have.

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  • Ronald j Perreault almost 3 years ago
    I do not see much of the positivity you put forward. When I read the above I can visualize my retirement fixed income shrinking even more to benefit others that DO NOT pay into the coffers or have a disposable amount of funds to agree to facilities or activities and the run away spending.
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